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and people like wayne lapierre and others just found these flames. they make a lot of money doing it. it supports them politically. >> why does it work? >> i think they are preying on fears and worries and anxieties. >> is he crazy like a sfox? >> i think he's crazy like millions of the other people. i don't know if he believes this stuff. >> i think he behaves like the people who are scared. that's what i think works. by the way, the class thing is so important here. if you can convince the average guy, usually a guy in pennsylvania who is a deer hunter who once a year goes out and shoots deer. i don't do it, but fine, you do it. they go out and do it. and you say it's the elite media types t. it's the people in hollywood that make all the money. they get their kicks some other way. you've got this one little hob bee. i think it's brilliantly evil. >> it is brilliantly evil, although it's not as brilliant anymore because i don't think it's working. david is right, it does work in riling up some pockets. but i think that's what he counted on with tha
and people like wayne lapierre and others just found these flames. they make a lot of money doing it. it supports them politically. >> why does it work? >> i think they are preying on fears and worries and anxieties. >> is he crazy like a sfox? >> i think he's crazy like millions of the other people. i don't know if he believes this stuff. >> i think he behaves like the people who are scared. that's what i think works. by the way, the class thing is so important...
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citizen lapierre who is -- is he this screamer of fire in the theater? wayne lapierre. watch him go to work. he just sent out a mass manifesto linking a lifeline from every spooked out crowd in the country from one to the other asking them all to arm themselves while there's still time, arm themselves. afraid of looting after a storm? get a gun. upset by illegal immigration? get a gun. don't like crime or drugs, get yourself a damn gun, man. that's the wayne lapierre message today. worried about the debt crisis? worried about the chaos coming afterwards -- you know the drill -- get a gun. arm yourself, america. it's not just a right, it's a duty. it's not just about uncle sam who is coming to get you in one of those black helicopters, it's that mob at the gate headed over the rio grande as we speak and right for your house up in idaho, right as we speak. lock and load. do it now. there's not much time. they're coming for you. you think this is crazy? well, this is wayne lapierre talking, the head of the nra, and what does that tell you? it tells you about a new division
citizen lapierre who is -- is he this screamer of fire in the theater? wayne lapierre. watch him go to work. he just sent out a mass manifesto linking a lifeline from every spooked out crowd in the country from one to the other asking them all to arm themselves while there's still time, arm themselves. afraid of looting after a storm? get a gun. upset by illegal immigration? get a gun. don't like crime or drugs, get yourself a damn gun, man. that's the wayne lapierre message today. worried...
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. >>> following his ram belling laced op ed wayne lapierre offered america's wayne's world part two, giving a response to president obama's state of the union. >> it was only a few weeks ago when they were marketing their anti-gun agenda as a way of protecting schoolchildren from harm. that charade ended at the state of the union. when the president helms exposed their fraudulent intentions. it's not about keeping kids safe at school. that wasn't even mentioned in the president's speech. >> in the last hour the president honored a group of women who sacrificed their lives for the children of sandy hook elementary school. we will give mr. lapierre a reality check coming up next. hey, it's me, progressive insurance. you know, from our 4,000 television commercials. yep, there i am with flo. hoo-hoo! watch it! [chuckles] anyhoo, 3 million people switched to me last year, saving an average of $475. [sigh] it feels good to help people save... with great discounts like safe driver, multicar, and multipolicy. so call me today. you'll be glad you did. cannonbox! [splash!] [ whispering ] that'
. >>> following his ram belling laced op ed wayne lapierre offered america's wayne's world part two, giving a response to president obama's state of the union. >> it was only a few weeks ago when they were marketing their anti-gun agenda as a way of protecting schoolchildren from harm. that charade ended at the state of the union. when the president helms exposed their fraudulent intentions. it's not about keeping kids safe at school. that wasn't even mentioned in the president's...
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wayne lapierre is the noise right now people are increasingly tining out. the reality is the republican leadership is privately conceding they cannot stop background check legs lace. they don't want to publicly concede that because they wouldn't to use it as a chit to stop assault weapons and clips from being passed. what people have to keep in mind, democratic pundits and others that are for these gun measures that come on television and say we can't get assault weapons and we can't get clips passed, they have to realize when they say that, they're unwittingly playing into the nra's strategy here because the numbers on these proposals are changing and they're changing rapidly and eventually the dam will break. the reason why the numbers are changing on this is because the president continues to focus on this in his public remarks. when the president focuses on this in his public remarks,ed media then covers it. we had shootings in allentown, pennsylvania, and louisiana, in texas, and the public is quickly changing. the public wants action not just on backg
wayne lapierre is the noise right now people are increasingly tining out. the reality is the republican leadership is privately conceding they cannot stop background check legs lace. they don't want to publicly concede that because they wouldn't to use it as a chit to stop assault weapons and clips from being passed. what people have to keep in mind, democratic pundits and others that are for these gun measures that come on television and say we can't get assault weapons and we can't get clips...
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more for you. >>> wayne lapierre, ceo of the national rifle association was at it again this weekend. asserting the congressional efforts to institute a universal background check are really a secret plot to confiscate american guns. >> this so-called universal background check that you're hearing about all over the media and from president obama and some of the other politicians in washington is aimed at one thing. it's aimed at registering your guns, and when another tragic opportunity presents itself that registry will be used to confiscate your guns. >> eric, you know what the working phrase there is. when a tragic opportunity presents itself because that's what the nra is looking for in order to sell more guns. >> that's right. if i were the drug cartels and the mob, i would be giving to the nra because he is their best friend. >> yeah, he is. >> he is putting guns in the hands of everyone he can, and then as we heard in the clip earlier, he is saying, well, now we've given the guns to the bad guys, so you better get your gun too because it's all-out warfare. >> in 1999, which se
more for you. >>> wayne lapierre, ceo of the national rifle association was at it again this weekend. asserting the congressional efforts to institute a universal background check are really a secret plot to confiscate american guns. >> this so-called universal background check that you're hearing about all over the media and from president obama and some of the other politicians in washington is aimed at one thing. it's aimed at registering your guns, and when another tragic...
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>> wayne lapierre's own words, no loopholes. we have universal background checks. 91% of americans, republican party in washington, d.c., support this. 91% of americans, and the question is, mika, are they going to continue to be run off the end of the cliff by extremists that make up the hard right of their party that destroys their opportunities to win national elections? this is very simple. by the way, people say oh, joe, he's a -- no, i'm not. i still believe what i've always believed ideologically. i just have always believed in winning. >> yeah. >> maybe it's because i go to university of alabama. we like to win at the university of alabama. we believe in winning. we believe you don't get the ball and run it into the other guy's end zone. you try to win games. this republican party is chasing the most extreme element in their own party through the primary processes, and that's why harry reid right now is running the senate. >> but there are -- i mean, you saw the front page of the business section of "the new york times"
>> wayne lapierre's own words, no loopholes. we have universal background checks. 91% of americans, republican party in washington, d.c., support this. 91% of americans, and the question is, mika, are they going to continue to be run off the end of the cliff by extremists that make up the hard right of their party that destroys their opportunities to win national elections? this is very simple. by the way, people say oh, joe, he's a -- no, i'm not. i still believe what i've always...
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we hear wayne lapierre saying you have to arm the good guys, right? one of the good guys was supposed to arm our teachers. i have to say, as a college professor, if my students could carry guns, we would no longer have debate over inflation. everyone would have as. beyond that, students and teachers should be carrying guns. i immediately was thinking of alabama. she came in and shot all her colleagues after not receiving tenure. we can't assume certain positions necessarily mean that you are the good guy, right? in any given context, the teacher might be the bad guy. >> i'm going to start in in conversation as a mother. i am not sending my child to a school where people who have their jobs not subject to any psychological evaluation, by the way, nor carrying a gun with any particular training are going to be in a classroom with my child. i'm not doing it. >> we don't even let teachers paddle students anymore. >> the idea that our kids are going to be safer because there are a bunch of guns inside the school is just insane. if you actually look at the
we hear wayne lapierre saying you have to arm the good guys, right? one of the good guys was supposed to arm our teachers. i have to say, as a college professor, if my students could carry guns, we would no longer have debate over inflation. everyone would have as. beyond that, students and teachers should be carrying guns. i immediately was thinking of alabama. she came in and shot all her colleagues after not receiving tenure. we can't assume certain positions necessarily mean that you are...
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this weekend, nra president wayne lapierre insisted universal background checks will not work and claimed the president is against the second amendment. >> during the campaign when he said to people i will not take away your rifle, shotgun, hand gun, they leafletted the country with flyers like this, obama's not going to take your gun, obama will protect gun rights, and now he's trying to take away all three. i don't think you can trust -- >> senate majority leader harry reid says he hopes gun legislation will come out of the judiciary committee but he was noncommittal over whether he would sign an assault weapons ban. >> would you vote for it? >> frankly, she knows, i haven't read her amendment, i didn't vote for the assault weapons last time because it didn't make sense but i'll take a look at it. >> i will bring in "washington post" columnist ruth marcus and senior staff writer for "the hill" alex bolton. good monday morning to both of you. ruth, this is the president's first big sell to the american people. what do you think he needs to say here? >> well, the president said he was goi
this weekend, nra president wayne lapierre insisted universal background checks will not work and claimed the president is against the second amendment. >> during the campaign when he said to people i will not take away your rifle, shotgun, hand gun, they leafletted the country with flyers like this, obama's not going to take your gun, obama will protect gun rights, and now he's trying to take away all three. i don't think you can trust -- >> senate majority leader harry reid says...
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what about wayne lapierre being a featured speaker? is there an identity when the pro-gun lobby, the second amendment people who believe in idea logically that we've got to have a gun to protect ourselves from a tie ran cal government some kay, is that part of the republican -- i went back and looked at the republican platform. it's all pro nra language. is your party, the republican party now, identified pretty much uniquely with the nra. >> first of all, i would say we're the pro liberty, pro freedom party which i believe is part of what the nra platform is. second of all, if you look at states like pennsylvania, ohio, wisconsin, michigan, where we pick up a lot of democratic votes is on that issue where they do feel that obama and others are coming to take away their gun. that's why gun sales are up all across the country. >> do you think obama is coming to take away somebody's gun? >> well, you explain to me why gun sales are up in all these places, where there are very strong democratic bases. >> i wish you'd answer a simple quest
what about wayne lapierre being a featured speaker? is there an identity when the pro-gun lobby, the second amendment people who believe in idea logically that we've got to have a gun to protect ourselves from a tie ran cal government some kay, is that part of the republican -- i went back and looked at the republican platform. it's all pro nra language. is your party, the republican party now, identified pretty much uniquely with the nra. >> first of all, i would say we're the pro...
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we had mit romney, sarah palin, rand paul, allen west, and wayne lapierre. now i'm sure we'll have one that will have you and dana definitely wanting to go hear the great orator, rick perry is going to speak. what do you think, angela? >> whoo! just kidding. first and foremost, we have to talk about what is going on with the gop. the gop has, i think, a three-fold problem. it's the message. it's the messengers and the audienced audience is the person people who don't care to hear what they're talking about, whether it's on cpac or fox or some other media outlet, the message isn't resonating in part because when you look at the changing dem graphics of this country, they have got to at some point start talking about social issues because folks vote wholistically. what is the candidate talking about that makes sense to me? how does it impact me? and then at some point we have to address the humanity of politics, compassion and concern for your neighbor. all of which for some reason the republican party is so distant from, it just doesn't make any sense. >> but
we had mit romney, sarah palin, rand paul, allen west, and wayne lapierre. now i'm sure we'll have one that will have you and dana definitely wanting to go hear the great orator, rick perry is going to speak. what do you think, angela? >> whoo! just kidding. first and foremost, we have to talk about what is going on with the gop. the gop has, i think, a three-fold problem. it's the message. it's the messengers and the audienced audience is the person people who don't care to hear what...
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this caller is plugged into what wayne lapierre is talking about. he thinks the president has a secret agenda that will end up with the confiscation of guns and the takeover of towns and neighborhoods and our country. that is ridiculous. of steps opinion is out with gun owners in this country. host: from twitter -- as one of the sponsors of the assault weapons ban of 2013, tells about the exemptions. guest: i encourage anybody who has this question to go and read the assault weapons ban that we introduced some weeks ago. that bill actually lists several thousand weapons that would not be illegal under the law. that is not an includes a list. it is just a set of examples of weapons, over 10,000 weapons, that would still be available to individuals. the assault weapons ban says that a gun that has a detachable clip and another military feature like a pistol grip, that would be reserved for military usage. the thousands of weapons today that are used largely for hunting and sports shooting would still be available that is a really good resource. i cann
this caller is plugged into what wayne lapierre is talking about. he thinks the president has a secret agenda that will end up with the confiscation of guns and the takeover of towns and neighborhoods and our country. that is ridiculous. of steps opinion is out with gun owners in this country. host: from twitter -- as one of the sponsors of the assault weapons ban of 2013, tells about the exemptions. guest: i encourage anybody who has this question to go and read the assault weapons ban that we...
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wayne lapierre referred to some of the president's comments linking the issue of gun violence to the potential impacts on kids as a charade and they have also gone up with their own print ads as well. >> peter alexander at the white house. thanks so much. thanks for the report. >>> meanwhile, in south africa the murder charges against oscar pistorius took another unexpected turn. a bizarre turn as the lead investigator was removed from the case. nbc's reporter joins me now. you can't make this stuff up. tell me what happened. >> reporter: well, this is what happened on this, the third day of bond hearing. now a fourth day and expecting a decision tomorrow or perhaps on monday. today we did hear the closing arguments in this case, though. firstly from oscar pistorius's defense team saying there was no evidence that this was a preplanned killing and they said that the fact that oscar had tried to carry the girlfriend down the stairs out of the home showed that he was trying to save her life but then the prosecution retaliated. they said that this is a violent man, he has a history of v
wayne lapierre referred to some of the president's comments linking the issue of gun violence to the potential impacts on kids as a charade and they have also gone up with their own print ads as well. >> peter alexander at the white house. thanks so much. thanks for the report. >>> meanwhile, in south africa the murder charges against oscar pistorius took another unexpected turn. a bizarre turn as the lead investigator was removed from the case. nbc's reporter joins me now. you...
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and it goes to something we've been saying for a long time, that wayne lapierre not only is out of the mainstream, but he's out of touch with his own membership, with the nra, which is to say when he says that nobody wants universal background checks and then you look at the numbers, and it's something like 90% of americans want them, there is a desire for some measures. not extreme to go take their guns away, but there is a desire in this country, not just from democrats and liberals, but from americans as we saw there to do something about guns. >> the numbers have shifted dramatically, john heilemann. like they haven't shifted in recent history. and last night there was a special election. it was in a democratic seat to replace jesse jackson. a lot of people are scoffing about it. conservatives immediately because michael bloomberg went in. there was a candidate that was in a competitive race who was supported by the nra. bloomberg came in. and it changed everything overnight. >> he did. and he spent, i believe, $2 million on that race in a media market like chicago in a race at thi
and it goes to something we've been saying for a long time, that wayne lapierre not only is out of the mainstream, but he's out of touch with his own membership, with the nra, which is to say when he says that nobody wants universal background checks and then you look at the numbers, and it's something like 90% of americans want them, there is a desire for some measures. not extreme to go take their guns away, but there is a desire in this country, not just from democrats and liberals, but from...
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. >> so that's wayne lapierre, head of the nra, saying something different back then than he is saying today about universal background checks. what's the response you've heard and do you think that something that people didn't know? >> people love that ad because it reminded them that checking everyone's background for guns is common sense. we check 100% of the people who get on a plane. we shouldn't check 60% of the people who get a gun. the nra believed that. the nra should agree with that. and the nra should not be in charge of this debate. >> thank you so much, mayor. again, president obama visiting your city today. appreciate your time. we'll be right back. have diabe. i felt like my feet were going to sleep. it was like pins and needles sticking in your toes and in your feet. it progressed from there to burning like i was walking on hot coals. at that point, i knew i had to do something. when i went to see my doctor, she chose lyrica. once i started taking the lyrica, the pain started subsiding. [ female announcer ] it's known that diabetes damages nerves. lyrica is fda approved
. >> so that's wayne lapierre, head of the nra, saying something different back then than he is saying today about universal background checks. what's the response you've heard and do you think that something that people didn't know? >> people love that ad because it reminded them that checking everyone's background for guns is common sense. we check 100% of the people who get on a plane. we shouldn't check 60% of the people who get a gun. the nra believed that. the nra should agree...
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for us. >> the point of that is that wayne lapierre, the nra head, now is against universal background checks. specifically he said this morning that they could lead to a universal registry of gun owners, something he says the nra opposes. >> peter alexander from 1600 pennsylvania for us. thank you, sir. >>> a reward for information in the sleiaying of a chicago teenager is at $40,000. there was a march saturday in memory of hadiya pendleton. the 15-year-old was shot and killed tuesday in a park with her friends. i want to bring in reverend al sharpton, host of msnbc's "politics nation." also president of the national action network as well. let's talk about hadiya first. recently got back from washington. she just performed at president obama's inauguration. for folks who don't know the story, who aren't familiar with this little girl, what can you tell us? >> 15 years old, honor student. as you said, performed at the president's inaugural festivities. went home, was on her way in a month or so to paris. and was killed. apparently standing under a petition that was, you know, there fo
for us. >> the point of that is that wayne lapierre, the nra head, now is against universal background checks. specifically he said this morning that they could lead to a universal registry of gun owners, something he says the nra opposes. >> peter alexander from 1600 pennsylvania for us. thank you, sir. >>> a reward for information in the sleiaying of a chicago teenager is at $40,000. there was a march saturday in memory of hadiya pendleton. the 15-year-old was shot and...
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so did wayne lapierre in 1999. what is he saying today? well, today, before senator leahy, when asked, you don't support background checks in all instances at gun shows, mr. lapierre responds, we do not. because the fact is, the law right now is a failure the way it is working. none of it makes any sense in the real world. well, i would submit to my good friend, mr. moran, that this is the real world. and we're dealing with real people and i know that he would like to comment from your perspective on the state of gun violence and the lack of gun violence prevention in this country. and i would like to yield to you. mr. moran: i thank the very distinguished gentlelady from california. thank you for heroically sharing with us that horrific experience that you went through in your very early adulthood and that understandably continues to shape your view of gun violence . hopefully others will hopefully others will share that view without having to go through that experience. thank you for putting a face on the tragedy at newtown and the gun v
so did wayne lapierre in 1999. what is he saying today? well, today, before senator leahy, when asked, you don't support background checks in all instances at gun shows, mr. lapierre responds, we do not. because the fact is, the law right now is a failure the way it is working. none of it makes any sense in the real world. well, i would submit to my good friend, mr. moran, that this is the real world. and we're dealing with real people and i know that he would like to comment from your...
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lapierre, testified about gun- control legislation. this portion of the hearing is about two and a half hours. >> we have more than 200 people here today and hundreds more watching on our committee web cast. i expect everybody in this room to be respectful of the senators and the witnesses speaking about this very serious subject. i do not want applause for or against any position. the capitol police have been notified to remove any audience interference in an effort to have orderly conduct for that. that is a warning i give the many hearings. we will hear a lot of perspective on gun violence. i will give opening statements. but we have a former member of congress here, gaby giffords who will give a brief message and believed and captain kelly, thank you for your help in bringing your wife here. ms. giffords - >> ok. thank you for inviting me here today. this is an important conversation for our children, for our communities, for democrats and republicans. speaking is difficult but i need to say something important. violence is a big p
lapierre, testified about gun- control legislation. this portion of the hearing is about two and a half hours. >> we have more than 200 people here today and hundreds more watching on our committee web cast. i expect everybody in this room to be respectful of the senators and the witnesses speaking about this very serious subject. i do not want applause for or against any position. the capitol police have been notified to remove any audience interference in an effort to have orderly...
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>> you know, the thing is, you've got wayne lapierre. >> yeah. >> who really was a lot closer to where americans are today. >> almost aware. >> than he is right now. because 92% of americans want universal background checks. i think that's coming. >> all right. meanwhile, president obama gained an ally in his efforts to pass new gun legislation in the wake of the newtown shootings. congressman joe heck, republican from nevada, backed universal background checks for firearms saying, quote, i think the idea of background checks across the board, i'm not opposed to them. and i disagree with people who say that this is going to be the first step to gun registration, which leads to gun con physician indication. c con physician >> they go through a background check. and guess what? they're not part of a national registry. >> right. >> nobody's coming to get their guns. the black helicopters around circling their house. nobody's taking their livestock. you can do this. you can make sure that felons can't walk into a gun store or go to a gun show and buy weapons. >> this is one of the points t
>> you know, the thing is, you've got wayne lapierre. >> yeah. >> who really was a lot closer to where americans are today. >> almost aware. >> than he is right now. because 92% of americans want universal background checks. i think that's coming. >> all right. meanwhile, president obama gained an ally in his efforts to pass new gun legislation in the wake of the newtown shootings. congressman joe heck, republican from nevada, backed universal background...
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as for the nra, the gun lobby's outspoken wayne lapierre is holding a news conference to respond to the state of the union speech. as for the justice department study, the nra is not saying how it it got it. wolf? >> do we expect there to be separate votes on gun control, one on the magazines, one on assault-type weapons, one on universal background checks or are they going to try to wrap it up into comprehensive piece of legislation? >> i think that's undecided at this point. harry reid is a big gun enthusiast and what that office is saying right now whatever coming out of the judiciary committee, they are looking at an assault-weapons ban, high-capacity magazines and universal background checks will get a vote. there will be a vote on some of these measures. there will be amendments avow lowed. as for the president, he called for a vote and it looks like he'll get them. >> separate votes but -- >> he'll get votes. >> we'll see what he can achieve on these sensitive issues. jim acosta, thanks very much. >>> president obama hit the road today. >>> also, another day on a hot ship overflo
as for the nra, the gun lobby's outspoken wayne lapierre is holding a news conference to respond to the state of the union speech. as for the justice department study, the nra is not saying how it it got it. wolf? >> do we expect there to be separate votes on gun control, one on the magazines, one on assault-type weapons, one on universal background checks or are they going to try to wrap it up into comprehensive piece of legislation? >> i think that's undecided at this point. harry...
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host: air are the specifics -- -- here are the specifics -- wayne lapierre slammed the president's state of the union speech. guest: his behavior has been just bizarre since this episode in newtown. the week after, we were hopeful that the gun lobby would come to the table and try to help us put in place some common-sense gun measures as they have in the past. what the nra has become which is a representative of a very extreme wing of gun owners in this country and they lobby for gun manufacturers. they did not use to be. these to come to capitol hill and lobby for restrictions on gun ownership that made sense. la pierre become divorced from the majority of gun owners in this country who support things like universal background checks. he lives in a fantasy world where he thinks the agenda behind those of us who want to keep our kids say is to take the guns away from his members and legitimate gun owners. that is just a lie. i hope he and his colleagues stop saying it because i support the second amendment but i support the real second amendment. i'm a supporter of the second amendment t
host: air are the specifics -- -- here are the specifics -- wayne lapierre slammed the president's state of the union speech. guest: his behavior has been just bizarre since this episode in newtown. the week after, we were hopeful that the gun lobby would come to the table and try to help us put in place some common-sense gun measures as they have in the past. what the nra has become which is a representative of a very extreme wing of gun owners in this country and they lobby for gun...
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in fact, in march of 1993, some time ago, wayne lapierre on "face the nation" and he made the point that those people need to be included in the system for background checks. he and charles schumer is a shook hands and said, i can help you do that. that was 1993. as gabrielle giffords' husband mentioned, some 150,000 people have been so adjudicated have not been put in the system. one of the witnesses was the police chief from baltimore county who is an advocate of universal about crown checks. he did not mention that his governor had said that they are not in favor of putting the mentally ill into the system. sometimes it is for financial reasons, sometimes it is because as senator franken has said he is against that because it is not want to stigmatize the mentally ill. we know that people that have mental problems are no more likely to commit a crime that you or i. but there are people who are not in a gray area. those people that have been adjudicated to be severely mentally ill. had the system that is in place in virginia which we advocated been in place earlier, the virginia tech s
in fact, in march of 1993, some time ago, wayne lapierre on "face the nation" and he made the point that those people need to be included in the system for background checks. he and charles schumer is a shook hands and said, i can help you do that. that was 1993. as gabrielle giffords' husband mentioned, some 150,000 people have been so adjudicated have not been put in the system. one of the witnesses was the police chief from baltimore county who is an advocate of universal about...